What is Possible?

Recently I heard an interview with a very well known competitor/trainer.  He said "positive training works with dolphins.....it is not possible to train a dog without physical contact; it's a lie…”.

Physical contact means pain compliance.

My first thought was, "How egotistical is THAT?  If you can't do it, no one can?"  Let's call that my irritable reaction.

My irritation was soon replaced by sadness, however, because if positive reinforcement training is "not possible", then what sane person would attempt it? If a "top trainer" ridicules the possibility, then the message to thousands of less experienced trainers is clear: do what is proven to work, regardless of the outcome for the dog, or the sport.  If a young trainer decides to attempt positive training anyway, the blatant ridicule, followed by subtle sabotage, will usually drive them away from the sport or into the hands of tradition soon enough.  It takes a strong and courageous person to do something that others say is impossible, and few individuals want to play the fool, especially if they are relative novices themselves.

If you want to be a successful competitor, the safest route is the known one.  Many of the most accomplished competitors have very little to offer outside of their method,  which often crams every dog into exactly the same hole they've been crammed into for thirty years.  Yes, these folks win.  If winning is the most important element for you, then it makes sense to go with what is proven to work.  But, when well regarded trainers or competitors state that a progressive method is "not possible", you discourage innovation and set dog sports in the wrong direction.

Wouldn't it be better to say, "In my experience, positive training does not work."? That phrase opens up a place for dialogue and the possibility that you may be confronted with evidence, which might, over time, allow you to change your perspective and try something new.

If the world of today had been described to me thirty years ago, I would have been unable to process what I was hearing. I would have had no way to reconcile such unbelievable information with what I now know to be real and true.  The possibility of video telephones, computers, internet - I would have laughed at you.  If you had told me that athletes were breaking records that were considered physically impossible, that science had taken us inside of cells and DNA and into the very heart of what makes us human - I could not have heard you.  Big Science was a test tube baby, not Dolly the cloned sheep.

If you had told me that I could use food to train a dog; that a plastic toy called a clicker could help me with my training, that I could wait for a behavior to occur and then name it rather than creating each behavior... I would have made fun of the waste of time and the "stupidness" of it all.  I was young and opinionated.  I knew it all, and if I wasn't doing it, then it wasn't worth doing.

While it's sad to see such a close minded attitude on a thirteen year old, it's relatively harmless since no one is listening anyway, but coming from a well known trainer with excellent skills and insight to offer... it's damaging and cause for great concern.

The world of today was NOT POSSIBLE just thirty years ago. Outside the realm of comprehension.  Yet it's here, not only possible, but now reality.    So if the not possible can become reality, isn't it better to try and stay away from absolutes in our thoughts and speech as much as we can? There are so many places to throw up barriers and argue that something is not possible.  Honestly, it makes me tired even thinking about it, which is why I have waited a while to broach this topic. The words that come out of our mouths frame the reality in our heads.  Close your mind to new possibilities and you are right, it will not happen for you.

I cannot predict where a changed mindset will take you, any more than I could have predicted that Dolly the Sheep was possible.  The possibilities suggest, however, that the dog/human relationship can be so much more than what tradition and prior experience may have led us to believe.

I made the change to positive training  techniques many years ago, but it was only two or three years ago,  when Cisu began failing in the ring,  that I made a complete change in philosophy to dog as partner rather than dog as subject.  I can't wait to see what I'm doing in five years, because really, I've just begun to explore the avenues of possibility that are appearing in front of me, and they seem endless.   There is so much to learn.

Training is a journey, not a destination.  If you think you've arrived, you've already missed out.

52 comments

Kathleen

Do you want your dog to be a partner or a prisoner? I prefer partner. I prefer a dog who willingly complies with my commands because there are pleasant consequences not because he is scared he will feel pain if he doesn’t comply. Which scenario would you rather live YOUR life in?

We all know timing is very important in training a behavior. Get the timing wrong with punishment and you probably just punished your dog for, what to him, was no apparent reason or worse yet, for a behavior he thought he had done correctly! You have now confused and frightened your dog and caused him to no longer trust you to be fair and clear in your communication with him.

Get the timing wrong with a reward and your dog just got an extra cookie.

Punishment also has to be the exact right amount to fit the crime. Too little and it won’t have the desired effect. Too much and it’s just abuse. Sorry, I don’t know ANYONE who knows what every individual dog thinks is the exact right amount of punishment for a given crime.

With rewards, give too good of a reward and you’ve just strengthened the behavior rewarded. Give too little of a reward and the behavior isn’t strengthened right then or, your dog will work harder for a better reward next time.

Lastly, and most basic, I’m always amazed that anyone would want to purposely inflict pain, or allow anyone else to inflict pain, on the very dog they supposedly love.

Kathleen

One of the most successful trainers on this continent or even the world, Susan Garrett, trains ONLY with positive reinforcement. She proves it is totally possible to get rid of negatives altogether…..

dfenzi

Kathleen, while I do happen to agree with you, I’d like to suggest that training for agility is not exactly the same as training for some of the other sports – in agility I think it is well established that pain compliance is not required to get what we want. If positive trainers want to affect the performance events as a whole, it has to be across sports, and with a range of breeds. Obviously I hope it happens, but I see the need for “generalization” as opposed to holding up singular examples.

dfenzi

Vicki, I thought about deleting this comment for the reason you mentioned – it’s depressing. But I decided to let it stand because it perfectly illustrates every point I made in the article.

Terry

Very good point Denise. It is possible and can be done. I have trained under some very successful service dog trainers and DOD dog trainers. Dogs need to think for themsleves for these jobs quite often. shaping behaviors rather than training patterns or training via avoidance does not work for these dogs. these trainers have 30+ years experience and choose to use reward based training.

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